Design Work is a new podcast hosted by New Zealand designer Kate Darby that interviews trailblazing creatives from all over the globe about how they design and how they embrace new modes of working. In this episode, she chats with Katie Levy and Mike McVicar, the founders of Gander. Working out of their Brooklyn studio, Gander creates brands and experiences with soul and substance. Katie and Mike cut their teeth in studios like Red Antler and with brands like Kiehl's before setting out on their own. In this interview, they chat about what starting a studio was really like, and how to make cool work for cool people.